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Smoking, Tobacco, Nicotine and Health - Part 4

Posted by Rusty , 17 October 2011 · 244 views

In Part 3, I pointed out that the government do not want us all to be 'smoke-free', they do not even want us to be 'tobacco-free', they really want us to be 'nicotine-free' - I have no idea why they want that and I do not really care. I do care about how they have gone about it.

The general public have been led to believe that nicotine and smoking are the same thing. This has been happening for many, many years;

Who had nicotine stained fingers or ceilings? I didn't because it was the tar in the smoke that caused them!

Who believes that nicotine is more addictive than heroin and that is why people find it difficult to stop smoking? I don't because I found it hard to stop smoking whilst getting nicotine from my patches, inhalators etc., smoking is more than just an NDS.

Who believes that nicotine harms other people? I do not as in the quantities I inhale it, it has minimal health concerns (similar to a coffee or cola drinker) and a passive smoker would inhale much, much less nicotine than myself.


As nicotine poses minimal risk to the smoker and close to no risk for the passive smoker, the vast majority of the general public would not worry about smoking in the same way that they do not worry about coffee drinking.

The governments realised this, so they played upon smoking's weakness - the smell!!!

The smell of burning tobacco was a cause for concern to the non-smoker, many just didn't like it, it made everything stink, and the stench lingered on their clothes and upset their children. I remember cries of "you are polluting my air", the same thing I used to say when someone broke wind near me :)

This is where governments and the anti-smokers started to use pseudo science - to try and prove a link between the smell of burning tobacco and tobacco related diseases in non-smokers. I am not going to go into any depth about this, but give you a link to an excellent website about this.

If the powers that be only wanted to eliminate smoking, they could ban the sale of cigarettes and even tobacco, but they will not for financial reasons - NOT Health reasons, they even seem to have won the arguement on passive smoking despite a lack of REAL evidence. They have encouraged pharmaceutical companies to produce 'medicinal' nicotine to treat smokers addiction to the evil drug that supposedly keeps them smoking - they do not work BUT they make money.

If a non-smoking person wants life insurance, why do the insurance companies test for Cotinine (a metabolite of Nicotine)? They should be analysing the levels of Anabatine.

Smoker - their fluids will contain relatively high levels of Cotinine and Anabasine but LOW levels of Anabatine.

Smokeless Tobacco User - their fluids will also contain relatively high levels of Cotinine and Anabasine but also HIGH levels of Anabatine.

Pure-ish Nicotine User - their fluids will contain high levels of Cotinine BUT none of the other 2 alkaloids I identified in Part 1.

Levels of Cotinine in the blood, saliva or urine only identify Nicotine use, not Smoking. It is another tool in making the recreational nicotine user feel like a second class citizen - It is nothing to do with HEALTH. Because Nicotine is now available in a 'medicinal' form, it makes Nicotine users diseased or ill people that need treating - Why,,,,,,?

Many smokeless tobacco and ecig users have stopped smoking for good. You do not need administer a medicine in the eliquid to get this to happen because recreational nicotine users do not have a disease or an illness to treat - they are just trying to enjoy their lives and are not harming others around them.

Smokers are recreational nicotine users who are just trying to enjoy their lives, they are demonised because of the inferred harm they are doing to others because of the way smoke smells, not because of any scientific FACTS.

I choose to vape more than I smoke because I perceive it as a healthier option - others may disagree and I say "Good on ya!"


Russell VR Ord




Another great read...

Later...
Over the course of these blogs Rusty has made some good points.

In this one he shows how they have legislated for a 'smell'.

He also shows how they have tried to make Nicotine=Tobacco and this directly affects e-cigs users.

Buckfasterfullerine
Oct 17 2011 01:49 PM
Hard to see how the 'smell' from a cigarette would turn your fingers and ceilings yellow?
passive smokers have justified fears.
Their fears are justified but there is no real scientific evidence to back them up though! It is scary that beetroot stains my hands but their is no evidence that it causes health problems when I eat it :)
http://henrysturman....mokinglies.html

Passive smoking is a load of bollocks, anyone with an ounce of intelligence(and the internet) can see through it a mile off.

Good read Russ, even if i don't agree with everything :p

samuelmunro
Oct 18 2011 03:32 PM
I'm have a fear of sharks. This is very different to having a fear of nicotine, What is being described I would class as a phobia ( an irrational fear). I am an advocate of skeptical interrogation but that research must have it's basis in facts and not conjuncture. I am more than willing to change my stance on nicotine safety but show me the evidence and the processes you used to come to your conclusion of your initial hypothesis.

Sam!,,,,I love you to bits BUT,,,wtf are you on about??? :mstickle:

samuelmunro
Oct 18 2011 11:07 PM
wasn't directed at you Rusty,:) I think my comment was meant to be more of a carpet bomb towards biased science, which is rife within the study of nicotine.
Re: 'passive smoking'... as I understand it there have been a few studies but getting a definitive answer as to the actual quantities of chemicals in this 'passive' smoke seems nigh on impossible to me. There is a difference between exhaled tobacco smoke (mainstream) and smoke that just comes off the end of a lit cigarette (sidestream).... mainstream smoke is different from sidestream beacuse it's been inhaled and some of the chemicals have been abosrbed by the person smoking.

If a smoker takes 25 drags off a cig before putting it out then there'll be more mainstream and less sidestream than a smoker who takes 10 drags off a cig before putting it out.

Then there's the number of smokers, how many fags they'd each smoke in a given time, the volume of the enclosed space, recycling of 'clean' air through ventilation/ extraction etc.

The number of different variables make it almost impossible to get an accurate, fixed figure and studies can be biased to produce desired results by altering these variables to suit.

Personally, I think the 'dangers' of 'passive smoking' have been overstated to 'guilt trip' smokers into giving up because they don't want to be seen as hurting anyone else, as has been said previously.

I'm not that bothered about these dangers but, as has also been mentioned, analogues don't smell too nice if you aren't a smoker yourself. I went to my mum's yesterday and she'd lit up a cig, put it in the ashtray and got distracted reading some mail that had been delivered. After a few minutes, the smell from the cig burning itself away in the ashtray started to get a bit strong and I found myself asking if she was actually going to smoke it or leave it to burn away.

I felt a bit guilty after saying that because although I don't use analogues anymore, I don't want to turn into one of those odious ex smoker zealots who want everyone else to stop just because they have... and besides, she puts up with my mainstream 'passive vape' without complaining. Probably need to have a word with myself. :bulgy-eyes:

Finally, I note that there is talk of banning smoking in cars carrying children due to 'passive smoke' but I've heard about a wonderful invention that can help cut levels of 'SHS' at a stroke.... it's called a window. ;)

Buckfasterfullerine
Oct 20 2011 06:55 PM
Very well written SJ, does anyone know the percentage of smokers to non-smokers in the UK?

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