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[samuelmunro]

http://www.bhf.org.u...aspx?ps=1001776

*Read at your own risk, may contain lies and fudged statistics.

[grizewald]

Hmm. It purports to be a report from the BHF, but on the very last page it says
that they would like to thank ASH for helping them make the report. Same old
propaganda from the same old suspects. Nothing to see here, move along!

[steve321]

Plain packaging will make counterfeiting so easy!

[Jaded]

Anything that dissuades smokers from killing themselves ia okay by me. I quite like the packaging...



I would love to have got the design brief to create the least attractive packaging in the world!

It would seem that they've done some market research and "Drab Olive Green" seems to have won out on the least attractive colour. In the art world this colour is known as "cac de fois" - goose shit. It's a shame really as a lot of my clothes are goose shit colour...

[lightother]

Collect em all

[Britannia]

My let real fag was back in march 2011, but I really resent the fact that these bullies are making it politically correct to belittle smoker. As for the packaging - I rather like the elegance of a cigarette case.

[steve321]

Jaded, on 31 December 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

Anything that dissuades smokers from killing themselves ia okay by me. I quite like the packaging...



I would love to have got the design brief to create the least attractive packaging in the world!

It would seem that they've done some market research and "Drab Olive Green" seems to have won out on the least attractive colour. In the art world this colour is known as "cac de fois" - goose shit. It's a shame really as a lot of my clothes are goose shit colour...

it doesn't work though, make packaging like that and people will just start using cigarette tins again which have no warnings on them. I think you have to make people make up their own mind. I feel much better quitting off my own back rather than being forced into it.

[Boadacia]

Jaded, on 31 December 2011 - 12:16 PM, said:

Anything that dissuades smokers from killing themselves ia okay by me. I quite like the packaging...



I would love to have got the design brief to create the least attractive packaging in the world!

It would seem that they've done some market research and "Drab Olive Green" seems to have won out on the least attractive colour. In the art world this colour is known as "cac de fois" - goose shit. It's a shame really as a lot of my clothes are goose shit colour...

That one in the middle has been drinking battery acid surely?

[inijames]

There is some research that suggests the dramatic warnings labels can actually increase consumption of cigarettes. Apparently the warnings stimulate the same part of the brain which deals with nicotine cravings, actually increasing the desire to smoke.

[mykyndryd]

There's also a part of people that thinks "If they are really that bad, the Government would never allow them to be sold so it must be ok really".

Phase out fags and phase in vaping - it's common sense.

Cheers. Mike.

[grizewald]

mykyndryd, on 04 January 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Phase out fags and phase in vaping - it's common sense.

Actually, I think that common sense would be to let people do what the hell they
want with their own bodies!

[Boadacia]

grizewald, on 04 January 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

mykyndryd, on 04 January 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

Phase out fags and phase in vaping - it's common sense.

Actually, I think that common sense would be to let people do what the hell they
want with their own bodies!

Yes! When I was about 5 I remember being on the old bus, and smelling someone striking up. it was marvellous! So, why didn't I naturally hate, it like the 'Anti-Smoking & Anything that's Fun League of Pratts?'

[tyefighter]

the more extreme they make the images the less real they become... who has ever seen someone like the middle pack? or the one with the big growth on his neck? i know they're probably not but i almost see them as horror make up.

[FlamingKaty]

tyefighter, on 04 January 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

the more extreme they make the images the less real they become... who has ever seen someone like the middle pack? or the one with the big growth on his neck? i know they're probably not but i almost see them as horror make up.

Erm well, I haven't actually seen it myself but my OH's (heavy smoking and drinking) brother has had years of serious teeth problems, attempted and failed implants and subsequent discovery of bone cancer in his top jaw and palate. Yesterday he want into hospital for an 8 hour op to remove a large proportion of both and have it rebuilt with bone grafts taken from his shoulder. I'm trying hard not to visualise it but it clearly happens...

[FlamingKaty]

Sorry, didn't mean to stun you all into silence...

What I meant to add but didn't have time was that, whatever our views on the methods used to dissuade people from smoking, we are all guilty as smokers of kidding ourselves that what we are being told is simply scaremongeing and rare or extreme in some way. We know smoking is deadly but seem to think it will be a gradual decline with a forewarning to change our ways...rotten teeth, high blood pressure, wheezing and breathlessness, warning twinges... but all recoverable before they become incapacitating or terminal. A dose of reality certainly has its place I think.

[capnhack]

I can only speak for myself here, and I'd put money on being in the minority, but the well documented and tiresomely repeated health problems with cigs never did anything to dissuade me from taking up or continuing to smoke. We will all die at some point and, excepting suicide, don't get to choose when or how so what difference does it really make? At least if you've got cancer and don't immediately kill yourself that makes you 'brave' and puts something of a scale on what's left of your life so you can better plan what you're gonna do with your time. Weird and disturbing, probably, but to me that kinda thing would make life far easier to handle. Despite all these health scares, however, I never did contract cancer and am now happily vaping away simply because it tastes better, doesn't smell, and costs a whole lot less. If you believe all these health scares in the news, I'm sure to get cancer from any one of a million other things anyway, so I don't feel like I've lost out on any front.

Anyway, rant aside, the main problem with this packaging redesign stuff is that it's meant to stop children taking up smoking in the first place. Now unless they're talking about children <10 years old, I don't think the packaging has a single thing to do with it. Not I myself, nor anyone I've ever known who smoked/s ever got into it because the packet looked nice, and expecting anyone to act that way is like saying people would buy rotten meat (knowing full well it was rotten meat) if it was put in a shiny blue/green box with silver accents. This is clearly insane, so why does anyone take this stuff seriously? If the boxes had inherent value then it might make sense, or if they were made of something other than cheap cardboard, or if they still had those collectible cards inside, or if they didn't stink of tobacco, but as things are there's no reason to believe anyone has ever begun to smoke due to the box.

Sorry, seems like both those paragraphs got a bit ranty. I'll try to keep a lid on it in future..

[deewal]

capnhack, on 05 January 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

I can only speak for myself here, and I'd put money on being in the minority, but the well documented and tiresomely repeated health problems with cigs never did anything to dissuade me from taking up or continuing to smoke. We will all die at some point and, excepting suicide, don't get to choose when or how so what difference does it really make? At least if you've got cancer and don't immediately kill yourself that makes you 'brave' and puts something of a scale on what's left of your life so you can better plan what you're gonna do with your time. Weird and disturbing, probably, but to me that kinda thing would make life far easier to handle. Despite all these health scares, however, I never did contract cancer and am now happily vaping away simply because it tastes better, doesn't smell, and costs a whole lot less. If you believe all these health scares in the news, I'm sure to get cancer from any one of a million other things anyway, so I don't feel like I've lost out on any front.

Anyway, rant aside, the main problem with this packaging redesign stuff is that it's meant to stop children taking up smoking in the first place. Now unless they're talking about children <10 years old, I don't think the packaging has a single thing to do with it. Not I myself, nor anyone I've ever known who smoked/s ever got into it because the packet looked nice, and expecting anyone to act that way is like saying people would buy rotten meat (knowing full well it was rotten meat) if it was put in a shiny blue/green box with silver accents. This is clearly insane, so why does anyone take this stuff seriously? If the boxes had inherent value then it might make sense, or if they were made of something other than cheap cardboard, or if they still had those collectible cards inside, or if they didn't stink of tobacco, but as things are there's no reason to believe anyone has ever begun to smoke due to the box.

Sorry, seems like both those paragraphs got a bit ranty. I'll try to keep a lid on it in future..

Rant away mate. Don't worry about it. I agree with you. The warnings didn't put me off either and they don't put the kid's off today. Their not buying their cig's from the shop's anyway.
Their buying Etsong's from Shandong in China for £2.00 a pack from the same guy that they buy their dope and coke from.
These things have got a nic content of 1.5mg and taste like Gauloise but even stronger.
I don't think putting cig's in plain packaging and putting them under the counter is gonna make the slightest difference to kid's.
Could put a few Newsagent's out of business though.
All part of the plan to boost the Economy.

Edited by deewal, 05 January 2012 - 08:04 PM.

[tindaletim]

It's obvious really. When you think how successful invisibility and dire health warnings have been in detering illegal drug use over the last few decades - it must be the model to follow.