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[jagofletch]

Just been to the doctors after three weeks of excruciating headaches brought on by any kind of exertion. This coincided with getting my first PV.
She concluded that I'm suffering from vasodilation but with an unknown cause. She doesn't think it's to do with the PV so the investigation begins.

However, I'm wondering whether this has something to do with the nicotine from the PV.
We know that there is less of a nicotine intake through the lungs and mouth with PG or VG as compared to tobacco smoke but what if there is something we're missing? What if condensed nicotine solution is being collected in the throat and making its way down to the digestive system, where it's uptake would be more in line with cigarettes.
If this is true then we are all taking in a massive amount of nicotine in relation to analogues.
Have there been any blood test to compare the two concentrations? Not just after immediate intake but after a few hours as well.

My guess is that I'm taking in far more nicotine than with the analogues and my body is reacting by releasing vasodilation hormones because of the increased constriction caused by the vasoconstrictor nicotine.

My prescription is for Clonidine, which drops the blood pressure (I already have slightly lower blood pressure)dDeferred for a week depending on the result of the tobacco trial I won't be doing.

Oh, something else she said is that, contrary to much of the advice given here, there are no other addictive chemicals in tobacco.

She also advised me to go back onto the cigs as a trial. I can't think of anything worse so I won't be doing that but imagine that. A doctor telling you to smoke!

[vapeman]

i had a bit of a nic overdose yesterday mate bad head stomach the lot had an hour with out any nic at all then i was fine

[GDW]

No offense, but you do smoke other much more potentially harmful things. Does you GP know about that? God knows what sort of crap your inhaling smoking that stuff . Hope you get better soon

[OldEngineGuy]

I found that cigarettes regulated the number I smoked by affecting my breathing and generally making me feel like crap if I smoked too many.
Vaping does not have the same regulatory effects, so I suppose it would be easy to vape far more than we smoked, with perhaps the disadvantage to health that you are experiencing Jago.... Are you vaping more minutes per day than you used to smoke ?

Alan.

[Kate]

The obvious answer is to stop vaping and see if the problem stops. If it does then it's something to do with vaping, if it doesn't then you're probably not getting as much nicotine as your body is used to.

Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, I don't see how you can blame it for dilation. My guess is you're getting less than usual.

[jagofletch]

GDW, on 17 January 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

No offense, but you do smoke other much more potentially harmful things. Does you GP know about that? God knows what sort of crap your inhaling smoking that stuff . Hope you get better soon

I smoke the odd joint but probably only one a month. The last one I had was on the weekend and before that just before christmas. It's never caused a problem before. This is definitely a new issue and I can't help but draw on the coincidence of it's occurrence with giving up the cigs and going on to the vapouriser. I'm always honest with my GP so she knows everything.

[HillBill]

Well, stating the obvious, headaches are a serious matter so I'd say go back to the smokes for a while if necessary. If it sorts your problem then you know its vaping. From there, you could give it another go but on a lower quantity or same quantity of lower nic. What does a few weeks matter in the greater scheme of things?
What I've noticed is I have to reduce my nic content if its hot or if I'm doing a lot of physical work. If I don't, I get a headache. I cant take as much caffeine under those circumstances either so I gave up the caffeinated juices over the summer.
Good luck!

PS Lol Kate - I agree!

Edited by HillBill, 17 January 2012 - 06:10 PM.

[jagofletch]

Kate, on 17 January 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, I don't see how you can blame it for dilation. My guess is you're getting less than usual.

It was the doctor who said that I hade vasodilation so I drew the conclusion that my body was receiving too much nicotine, vasoconstriction was becoming a problem and it therefore released a vasodilator to counteract the issue.

[Onceupon]

Kate, on 17 January 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, I don't see how you can blame it for dilation..

Indeed.

[jagofletch]

HillBill, on 17 January 2012 - 06:07 PM, said:

Well, stating the obvious, headaches are a serious matter so I'd say go back to the smokes for a while if necessary. If it sorts your problem then you know its vaping.

I know, I know that's the answer but despite being given the best excuse to start smoking again with the doctors orders I have to bring myself round to the idea of not being able to breath as well as i can now, coughing up lung butter all night and all those pleasant things.

[Kenny]

Just out of curiosity Jago, how many cigs did you smoke and what mg nic liquid are you using + how many mls per day would you use?

[doc2803]

i tend to chain vape (never chain smoked) i had the odd headache when using 24mg so reduced to 18mg, headaches stopped , but found no increase in desire for nic (prolly due to chaining) bought an rta and chain vaped 18mg headaches came back, so dropped to 12mg in rta, headahes stopped, the amount of nic you need is very individual, based on how much you vape what strength etc, it may simply be that you dont need as high a strength as your using, incidently i got high blood pressure and it has dropped since i stopped smoking, my doc loves the fact that i dont smoke tabs anymore and had a cloud 9 card of me, she smokes a pac a day, ( some docs do smoke!) it may just be you need to lower your strength, it may not, but its worth a try,,,

regards

Dave

[jagofletch]

Onceupon, on 17 January 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

Kate, on 17 January 2012 - 06:05 PM, said:

Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor, I don't see how you can blame it for dilation..

Indeed.

Jagofletch said:

It was the doctor who said that I hade vasodilation so I drew the conclusion that my body was receiving too much nicotine, vasoconstriction was becoming a problem and it therefore released a vasodilator to counteract the issue.

[jagofletch]

Kenny, on 17 January 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

Just out of curiosity Jago, how many cigs did you smoke and what mg nic liquid are you using + how many mls per day would you use?

5 rollies a day. 15 on weekends. I'll vape 8mg for half an hour without a break each day. I'm afraid I've never paid attention to how many ml I vape.
If I'm at the pub I'll probably match my cig intake. I use 18mg and vape that for the length of a cigarette at about the same frequencey (15 vapes per pub session).

I know that's probably not helpful at all but I guess only cessation will show if it's the ejuice. The only thing that would impede that test is if the vasodilation has become permanent.

Edited by jagofletch, 17 January 2012 - 06:18 PM.

[Kenny]

jagofletch, on 17 January 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

Kenny, on 17 January 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

Just out of curiosity Jago, how many cigs did you smoke and what mg nic liquid are you using + how many mls per day would you use?

5 rollies a day. 15 on weekends. I'll vape 8mg for half an hour without a break each day. I'm afraid I've never paid attention to how many ml I vape.
If I'm at the pub I'll probably match my cig intake. I use 18mg and vape that for the length of a cigarette at about the same frequencey (15 vapes per pub session).

Well, you seem to be doing all the right things Jago so I really don't understand it unless you have an allergy to either VG or PG.

Edited by Kenny, 17 January 2012 - 06:20 PM.

[PapaLazarou]

What other substances do you use? I've had something like what you describe (and it was very unpleasant, but didn't last three weeks fortunately) but it wasn't from smoking or vaping. It was from amphetamine, but I guess large amounts of RedBull or something like that could cause similar results..

Edited by PapaLazarou, 17 January 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[jagofletch]

PapaLazarou, on 17 January 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

What other substances do you use? I've had something like what you describe (and it was very unpleasant, but didn't last three weeks fortunately) but it wasn't from smoking or vaping. It was from amphetamine, but I guess large amounts of RedBull or something like that could cause similar results..

Cannabis on occassion. No caffeine or other drugs, legal or illegal.

[jagofletch]

I cut vaping and smoking out for 2 days on the weekend and there was no difference in the situation so I'm not sure what to make of any of it. Could turn out that the GP diagnosis was wrong and maybe it's a case of vasoconstriction causing the symptoms.

[doc2803]

given the strengths your vapin jago id be surprised if it was the nic causing your problem ( im not a doc so only my opinion) you may be alergic to something vg/pg or even a flavour constituant in the juice your using, it could be something else as sugested above,, any which way, i wish you well and hope you get to the bottom of it soon !!

regards

Dave

[Kate]

Sounds like quitters flu to me. When you quit smoking your body detoxifies and many people get unpleasant symptoms.

If you think vaping is causing the problem you should stop.