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[andy2640]

Well I think we can all safely say that we've seen vaping grow over the years, both in terms of popularity, and in regards to the technological advancements, we've seen it mature, develop and even become more cost-effective, but how far can we take these advancements in vaping? Technology knows no limits, or does it? Over the years we've seen the mere atomizer develop into tanks, duel coils, triple coils and the new IMIST system for starters, but is this near the limits of what’s possible?, well personally I guess not, and I’m sure you guys have some exciting knowledge of new systems and even developmental ideas yourself.

Another question is how many engineering minds are on the task of improving vaping? Sure we've got technical and skilled minds already on the job, what with people like "Trog" who famously concocted the screwdriver mod’s etc. and others I have not mentioned through simply not knowing about them. We’ve got the Chinese on the job pretty much 24/7 and we have the British mods who devise new improvements every other day. But how much further can we take these developments? I’m sure there are other potential systems just around the corner, and I’m sure these systems would appear to be a fantastic idea, but the main question is: Will they work well?. Some folk would say that the Carto does a great job already! So in that case what possible improvements are there?

In conclusion I have only pointed out one element of vaping, which is the atomization of the liquid, without even looking at advancements in battery systems or alternative modifications.


And so our quest for better flavour, improved convenience, lower costs, maintenance improvements and cool looking alternatives are always present, so what is the future? Or are we content with what we already have?

Your thoughts please fellow vapers, and technical opinions are welcome, just don’t talk about circumferences and 345/pie=6 squared!
Edit: Darn punctuation lol.

Edited by andy2640, 04 February 2012 - 12:52 PM.

[Boadacia]

The peeples here just don't realise the electronic talents just a few of the modders possess here. They can use a micrometer and digital Vernier too, so give them a machine shop, and lots of weird and wonderful things can happen happy-vapers!

[jlawrence]

I think this is the way the world is going now:
1) someone (more often from the West) invent a new vaping tool
2) If it works well, then the Chinese get hold of it (either by agreement or simply copying) and work out how to make the things for a sensible amount of money. Thus what was an expensive item becomes a readily available mass produced, mass market item.
What the Chinese 'appear' to not do so well is market the stuff that they make.

As more and more people are seen vaping it will become more main stream until it reaches such a market penetration that it becomes the accepted norm. Of course, way before it becomes the norm, the governments will find a way to suitably tax it and regulate it. The regulation is a MUST have in order for it to become the accepted norm for the mass market. We may prefer things in a pretty much unregulated state but long term it won't stay that way.

As for which way the tech will develop - if I knew the answer to that one then I'd be designing the stuff and enjoying part of the MULTI-MILLIONS which WILL be made by someone. The massive money won't be made until such a time as vaping goes main stream and the company which becomes the biggest difference might or might not even exist yet.

ADDED:
IMHO, the biggest developments will come with developments in battery tech. Powerful batteries will get smaller to the point that an SDK will seem big (or something that size will last for a good few days).

Another by product of the mass market is that something along the lines of carto's will become seriously disposable (and likely none refillable) and very cheap. You'll use 'em and chuck 'em. The masses won't be interested in messing with liquids etc.

Edited by jlawrence, 04 February 2012 - 12:24 PM.

[Dragonmum]

Andy, Jl - I remember my Dad building his new "wireless" (what a misnomer-it was full of them) way back in the early '30s - he was probably thinking much the same as you are now; tempus has fugited a lot since then and technology has matched it.

[andy2640]

Dragonmum, on 04 February 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

Andy, Jl - I remember my Dad building his new "wireless" (what a misnomer-it was full of them) way back in the early '30s - he was probably thinking much the same as you are now; tempus has fugited a lot since then and technology has matched it.

Hhaha yes so true! The ignorance derived from thinking we're at the tip of all tecnological advancements! 50 years from now they'll say colour TV Paahhh! we can smell what we're watchinh now!

[SnailWhisperer]

Boadacia, on 04 February 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

The peeples here just don't realise the electronic talents just a few of the modders possess here. They can use a micrometer and digital Vernier too, so give them a machine shop, and lots of weird and wonderful things can happen happy-vapers!

I'm pretty sure the answer is 42.....

[wfx]

andy2640, on 04 February 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

how many engineering minds are on the task of improving vaping?

too many. you'd be surprised how many underemployed engineers are out there

but what's exciting to me is not the new atty tech under development. at first i thought ce2 mods and genisis were good, but jesus. wait and see what comes out this year.

what's really exciting is the fact that the modder co-ops are going international. the 'crowd sourced' design approach is very potent. because it offers 'streaming' peer review at critical milestones in the project.

tap into an international talent pool (electronics, chemistry, materials, production, policy, etc) and you've got a bottomless cheap labor force.

of course you have to contend with the language barriers and regular project management communication issues, but we're on the cusp of something great here. something that can really bring hell to pharma.

[jlawrence]

andy2640, on 04 February 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

50 years from now they'll say colour TV Paahhh! we can smell what we're watchinh now!

Roll on true 3D tv. Streaming porn to a 3D Holographic system - oh yeah .
Hope it comes around before I'm too damn old to enjoy it

[andy2640]

jlawrence, on 04 February 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

andy2640, on 04 February 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

50 years from now they'll say colour TV Paahhh! we can smell what we're watchinh now!

Roll on true 3D tv. Streaming porn to a 3D Holographic system - oh yeah .
Hope it comes around before I'm too damn old to enjoy it

LMAO!!! Porn? eeerrrrr whats that said the nieve Andy! Its the future said the TV salesman, so stop acting like you dont want it and hand over your cash.....Eeerr OK!

[SnailWhisperer]

jlawrence, on 04 February 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

andy2640, on 04 February 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

50 years from now they'll say colour TV Paahhh! we can smell what we're watchinh now!

Roll on true 3D tv. Streaming porn to a 3D Holographic system - oh yeah .
Hope it comes around before I'm too damn old to enjoy it

Something like Woody Allen's "Orgasmatron" eh?

(ehm, from the film 'Sleeper'. Just in case you're too young to remember )

Jim

[grizewald]

I know what I'd like to see, but wanting it is no guarantee that it will happen.

I want batteries that last longer and I want them now, not in another 10 years. The
speed of development on batteries is glacial.

I want better atomiser technology. All current 'misers are based on a coil of resistance
wire. Hardly hi-tech and the drawbacks are many. They get gummed up with gunk from
juice, they have hot-spots that lead to burning and rarely wick as repeatably and quicky
as I'd like.

I don't think my first want is going to get fixed any time soon, but I have a feeling that
there may be some interesting developments on the atomiser front.

[Trog]

well i am relatively happy with what we have.. but dreaming up something is the easy part.. getting it to market at a price folks will pay is the hard part..

our first dabble was never internded as a sale-able product.. it was made for our own use based on our own requirements and then offered for sale.. in a sense a piece of market research.. people wanted it and the idea caught on.. if not we still had something for our own use..

our second dabble.. bugger all to do with new tech.. simply old tech applied a little differently.. it was intended as a sale-able product..

but we already have e cigs that work perfectly well.. what we also have is a forum full of folks who really dont want to know about such boring things.. he he

okay we fill holes in the market.. currently i really dont see too many holes that need filling..

we cook chips in the same way we have cooked chips for years.. i dont see much reason not to keep cooking our e liquid in the same way.. it is very like chip fat in some ways.. he he

we have the technology for holiday trips to the moon.. i dont see many folks taking such trips though..

trog

ps.. i have a friend who often says "they could do this" i say yep but until i can go buy it at price i can afford it aint here yet.. most of his dreams never will be.. it dosnt stop him having them though..

ps.. the whole world wants smaller batteries that last longer.. zillions of quids could be made from such things.. it aint gonna happen anytime soon though.. forget that one..

maybe its the chip fat that is the problems with atomizers.. before we can have new high tech mizers we need to lose the chip fat.. it will gunge up anything.. he he

Edited by Trog, 04 February 2012 - 02:51 PM.

[Boadacia]

Apart from not having horrible Oven Chips and even worse - Microwave Chips for most of those years.

[wfx]

Trog, on 04 February 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

well i am relatively happy with what we have.. but dreaming up something is the easy part.. getting it to market at a price folks will pay is the hard part..
...
but we already have e cigs that work perfectly well.. what we also have is a forum full of folks who really dont want to know about such boring things.. he he

okay we fill holes in the market.. currently i really dont see too many holes that need filling..

have to disagree with you on that. i don't think the current tech works perfectly, but it's half the way there. half solutions may placate the masses, but if you left it as it stands now, the regulators would tear it to pieces. this is my primary motivation for targeting atty tech in particular. it's a 'lowest common denominator' issue. even putting aside the chinese manufacturing red herring, the entry market is a severe liability.

[OldEngineGuy]

"but we already have e cigs that work perfectly well.. what we also have is a forim full of folks who really dont wnat to know about such boring things.. he he"

But the few folks "experimenting" are probably increasingly becoming the minority Trog, as more folks discover e-cigs, the disposable cartomiser WILL be the choice of the masses. Especially as more folks use them and they become even cheaper.

I think that you worry unduly, your product is ideally placed to take advantage of the mass market. There will always be folks who want that bit extra, it happens with pretty well anything, for example, folks customise cars, but they are a minority compared to the millions on the road.

Don't worry mate... you WILL be a millionare one day...

Alan.

[capnhack]

We definitely need better battery tech. Once that comes along I think induction could be on the cards so that we can do away with wicks and filler entirely. Push a button, a drop escapes from a tank, falls onto a little round metal plate, gets instantly vaporised by induction, and then each week you can just remove the tank to wipe down that plate and it's clean.

What we have now is acceptable but one should never cease to dream, for it is the dreamers who steer the world.. sounded profound, right? I just made that up.

[Trog]

i dont worry about being a millionaire.. i have often been told i should be... but some essential ingredient is lacking.. he he

but the first e cig produced was sold as high tech.. Ruyan took out a patent for ultrasonics.. the product that made it to market somehow forgot all about the fancy high tech ultrasonics.. it used the hot chip fat principle just like we still do.. Ruyan kept very quite about this simple little fact though.. he he

trog

[Trog]

okay what we have now isnt perfect.. nether was tobacco.. to be honest i expected e cigs to be banned in the UK i am rather surprised thy havnt been.. i dont think they will be now.. but i could be wrong

but yesterday we took an order for 25 unpacked ecigs.. just SDK things.. Singapore is the destination.. the person want just loose batteries and chargers.. not cheaper simply to get them.. e cigs are illegal in Singapore.. Australia is the same.. quite a few other places are..

no matter how perfect e cigs are the addictive drug factor will always be a problem..

trog

[mandro]

I am quite content with the pace of innovations in vaping and look forward to trying new stuff but I think once vaping is accepted/regulated, more funds will go into producing better eliquid.
It would not be beneficial for a manufacturer to give us everlasting atty's and batteries but if they ever do, we will still need our juice.

[andy2640]

WOW! Great debate here, very entertaining + very interesting! Thanks also to Trog for "chippin in" lol.