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[TerminalClient]

Hey all, my girlfriend is asthmatic, not majorly asthmatic, but asthmatic nonetheless. I was just wondering if the vapour I exhale can affect her in any way, shape or form. I used to smoke outside because of it, but since I started vaping I have moved to vaping indoors, and I want to make damn sure that there is nothing that can spark off her asthma or allergies.

[blackbug]

Smoking cigarettes would set my ex off even if I'd been doing it somewhere else and walked 30 minutes back. I can vape in the same room as her with no ill effects at all.

[Jackie]

I'm asthmatic, since switching to vaping my asthma has improved in bucketloads. I've heard a number of others say the same thing too.

So I would say...absolutely nothing to be worried about.

[Onceupon]

Asthmatic folk have approached me in pubs, asking me impolitely not to vape.

'Bugger off!' I say.

[Ricky146a]

Hi Terminal
My daughter is 'lightly' asthmatic - if there is such a term. I stopped smoking indoors 2 years ago and switched to vaping about 2 months ago. My daughter has said that she cannot smell it at all and there is certainly no change in her condition as a result of me vaping indoors. Whilst I get the throat hit and satisfaction of smoking, it does not seem to affect anyone else at all. So ..... My story seems to be the same as yours. Yet more evidence that vaping does not have any harmful secondary effects.

[Snaggletooth]

Hi Nathan,

Half the reason I switched to vaping was in the hope my asthma would improve.

My inhaler prescription which I usually renewed every 10 days or so was picked up from the chemist a few days after I took up E-Cigs & lasted me over 3 weeks.

Improvement has been so dramatic in such a short space of time I intend making an appointment with my doc for a review with the hope of dispensing with my inhaler alltogether.

So I really don't think you or your girlfriend have anything to worry about.

Tam

[Mungo]

Don't quote me,coz i'd hate to give out bad info on something like this, but i'm sure i read that PG was used in some inhalers....

[Snaggletooth]

Here's some extracts from a yank lawyer run website who's aim is to provide "legal information" that you may find interesting. This is a blog filed under the "deceptive marketing" title. Inhaler reference in italics amoung the replies.



Are Electronic Cigarettes Harmful To Your Health?
As the dangers of cigarette smoking have become well known, many smokers have resorted to various substitutes to their daily pack of smokes. We all have friends or relatives who have tried to “kick the habit” by means of nicotine patches, nicotine chewing gums, herbal remedies, and prescription medicines. Recently, electronic cigarettes – battery-operated devices that have the look, feel, and even taste of a normal cigarette – have been touted as an allegedly “safe” alternative to traditional cigarettes. Hundreds of thousands of Americans looking for their nicotine fix have now taken up smoking these “e-cigarettes” based upon the belief that these devices pose no threat to their health. Unfortunately, there are serious questions regarding the dangers of electronic cigarettes that remain unanswered.

The appeal of electronic cigarettes stems in large part from the fact that smokers inhale liquid nicotine, and exhale a mist of vapor, thus replicating the experience of smoking traditional cigarettes but without also ingesting the tar or tobacco that are present in traditional cigarettes. According to a recent New York Times article, what many e-cigarette users don’t know is that along with liquid nicotine they are also inhaling propylene glycol, a liquid that is used in anti-freeze solutions and in brake and hydraulic fluids. Moreover, there appears to be no evidence that inhalation of propylene glycol over a prolonged period of time is safe, and there are no independent scientific studies demonstrating that electronic cigarettes can help people to stop smoking.

Electronic cigarettes are already banned in Australia and Hong Kong due to safety concerns. And the Food and Drug Administration (“FDA”) has refused entry of shipments of electronic cigarettes coming into the U.S. “These appear to be unapproved drug device products,” said Karen Riley, a spokeswoman for the FDA, “and as unapproved products they can’t enter the United States."


If you have purchased electronic cigarettes, or have been injured by using “e-cigarettes,” please contact us to discuss your legal options.

Some replies

1) Are you for real? Propylene Glycol? Guess what Mr. Uninformed, propylene glycol is used in a lot of the foods that we consume all the time. It is also used in food colorings as well. You fail to mention that propylene glycol is also used in mouthwash. And guess what the propylene glycol used in anti freeze is: to make it less toxic.

2) And I thought lawyers were supposed to be smart? Propolyne Glycol is used in non-toxic antifreeze, and also in theatrical fog machines, asthma inhalers, and food products.....hmmm. Not so scary and deadly after all?

3) What are our legal options for suing the FDA to keep these products available? An astounding percentage of e-cigarette users report improved lung health (wheezing and coughing disappeared.) What proof does the FDA have that tobacco cigarette smoking is safer for our health than e-cigarettes?

4) Propylene Glycol is also in many many other things we use everyday deodorant, hand sanitizer,fog machines. The FDA has approved it to be used in house hold products. Next time your are around a fog machine be sure and hold your breath because your inhaling the same stuff as us e-cig users only without nicotine. So be sure while your trying to get e-cigs banned to get fog machines banned also!



That's just 4 picked at random, most of the replies came from current vapers, some didn't, but all were defensive.

Edited by Snaggletooth, 28 August 2010 - 02:23 AM.

[TerminalClient]

Mungo, on 28 August 2010 - 01:27 AM, said:

Don't quote me,coz i'd hate to give out bad info on something like this, but i'm sure i read that PG was used in some inhalers....

I'll have to have a look into that about PG in inhalers, see if it's in hers.

Thanks all for letting me know, glad to have that base covered, if asthmatics can vape, then there is no danger from "secondhand" vape. Cheers all

[Snaggletooth]

TerminalClient, on 28 August 2010 - 02:15 AM, said:

Mungo, on 28 August 2010 - 01:27 AM, said:

Don't quote me,coz i'd hate to give out bad info on something like this, but i'm sure i read that PG was used in some inhalers....

I'll have to have a look into that about PG in inhalers, see if it's in hers.

Thanks all for letting me know, glad to have that base covered, if asthmatics can vape, then there is no danger from "secondhand" vape. Cheers all

There's nothing on the box or cannister & I found it hard to track the ingredients online, could only come up with the above. If you come across something more specific give us a hollar.

[hifistud]

Check out this study - http://tpx.sagepub.c.../5/570.abstract - the conclusion being that "The association with a 2U-G nephropathy indicated a lack of relevance for human risk assessment.

Also, http://www.lieberton...9/jam.2007.0626 using PG as a carrier for inhaled cyclosporine in lung transplant patients... a bit more acute than asthma inhalers...

Edited by SubVap, 28 August 2010 - 09:13 AM.

[TerminalClient]

Cheers for those links SubVap, but in a cruel twist of fate, I've discovered that I'm allergic to PG myself. Seem to have developed a bumpy rash on my neck that itches like hell!!! Switching over to VG base now for my own sake. Probably won't turn up until Tuesday, but I'm going to keep vaping PG until then, would rather it get worse than go back to smelly fags for 4 days!! Seeing as VG is vegetable base, and therefore natural (I'm guessing here), this defiantly shouldn't affect her asthma, shoot me if I'm wrong though!!

[Tyke]

If it helps at all I've seen several people post that since they started vaping the amount they need their asthma inhalers has dropped dramatically. This tends to imply that vaping isn't too bad for aggrovating asthma.

[xjohnukold]

There are a few asemethatics on the forum, also COPDs after years of smoking I expect, and vaping has been reported as 'improving' symptoms and decreased use of ventinhalators... good sign...

[midnightmosesuk]

Well, I can only reiterate that I was diagnosed with COPD last year and a recent test has shown no deterioration in my lung function since. I have been vaping the whole time as well.