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[Bruce]

The BBC local news had a report on tonight on e-cigarettes, where a doctor claims that e-cigarettes were a possible cause of death of a patient he was treating.

The doc said that the death may have been caused by inhaling oils, resulting in some form of lung disease. That bit got me a bit baffled, are there any oils in the E-liquid?

The coroner left the cause of death 'open', pending further investigation.

The piece reflected badly on E-cigarettes, and ECITA were mentioned towards the end, where they were quoted as saying E-cigarettes are far safer than cigarettes.

Hmm. Not good.

Edited by Bruce, 28 March 2011 - 08:02 PM.

[Kenny]

Whow, this does not sound good at all. The investigation follow up should be interesting.

[ian109]

I also saw this on the news.I think this is extremely bad news for us all Sounds like this person did actually die from lung damage caused by vaping.Im having none of it, but its certainly a nasty shock and hope its not proved to be true.

[frog]

Trying to make BHO work in an ecig possibly?

[Digicig]

 frog, on 28 March 2011 - 06:36 PM, said:

Trying to make BHO work in an ecig possibly?

BHO?

[frog]

Butane Honey Oil, a very illegal and very dangerous stoner experiment. Theres been a fair bit of talk on the FC forum about it, can be extremely toxic, never a good idea. The last thing we want to be associated with, have been dreading a horror story about it being used in an ecig.

[Jaki]

It's a jolly good job they don't run a news story every time cigarettes kill someone.

Not sure how they can come to that conclusion when an open verdict is recorded? The chances are the guy was a smoker before vaping anyway, so there is no telling what state his lungs were in.

[frog]

There's also no accounting for the dumb things people will do. I once tried lemon essential oil in my VAAAPP, couldn't breathe right for two weeks. Also in the abscence of answers, people do tend to turn to the thing they know least about, makes them supicious.

[Onceupon]

Anyone have a copy of the programme?

[Tim21080]

I tried looking for the article but i cant find any info atm

[smokindeuce]

This thread/supposed news article is a killer without more details/links.... for all we know he could have been vaping hydrochloric acid.

Knowing what liquid he was vaping is absolutely crucial here - we really cannot make any judgements until this information is known.

AFAIK, both most commonly used bases (glycerin & PG) which form the majority of our eliquids are not oils as they dilute in water.

And as someone else mentioned - could it have been the smoking that killed him? I mean maybe he turned to ecigs because he felt unhealthy (maybe terminally so) and by that stage there was nothing which could help.

Importantly at this point its all speculation and for every negative statement we could find something positive to the contrary to challenge it and vice versa.

I suggest we wait for more information or indeed try and contact the BBC or even his Doctor to get the finer details, because until then anything said on this thread is speculation at best.

Edited by smokindeuce, 28 March 2011 - 07:47 PM.

[doodlebug]

Hi, all,

I have just published a blog post here which details all the information I have on this subject.

I would be enormously grateful if the OP would change the title of this thread, because although 'funny' and I'm sure, ironic, it is NOT true at all. The coroner recorded an open verdict, which does not in any sense mean that they determined that ecigs were the cause of death.

One of these days, the media will have to start telling the truth!

Cheers,

Katherine

[Kenny]

Excellent blog post Katherine which should allay fears.

[Jetta]

Reading Kaths Blog makes sense of the whole report the Man had smoked tobacco for 'decades' but a few months with an E cig may have killed him.
now i am not a doctor or a rocket scientist but wouldn't the cigarettes have had anything to do with it ?

[smokindeuce]

 doodlebug, on 28 March 2011 - 07:49 PM, said:

Hi, all,

I have just published a blog post here which details all the information I have on this subject.

I would be enormously grateful if the OP would change the title of this thread, because although 'funny' and I'm sure, ironic, it is NOT true at all. The coroner recorded an open verdict, which does not in any sense mean that they determined that ecigs were the cause of death.

One of these days, the media will have to start telling the truth!

Cheers,

Katherine

Hi Katherine

Thanks for this information - I agree that this thread title should be changed because it is very alarmist to say the least without any evidence.

I was interested that Peter mentioned if they were 'non-volatile' oil residues found in the lungs of the deceased this would have most certainly been attributable to smoking. Is there any likelyhood that eliquids/flavourings would leave any residue at all? From all the research I have conducted myself into the liquids (I actually did a dissertation on ecigs/eliquid), I didn't find any massive cause for concern - certainly not with PG or VG which make up the majority.

Anyway, I thoroughly appreciate your input on this -

Thanks,

Tim

[Bruce]

 doodlebug, on 28 March 2011 - 07:49 PM, said:

Hi, all,

I have just published a blog post here which details all the information I have on this subject.

I would be enormously grateful if the OP would change the title of this thread, because although 'funny' and I'm sure, ironic, it is NOT true at all.

Yes Katherine, you're right, my post was ironic.

The way the BBC reported it, was typical of them, there was no hard facts at all. And the backend of the report, when they mentioned the ECITA response, it was obvious they didn't believe a word of what you said.

anyway, my apologies for the daft thread title, I was just a little bit agitated with them, duly changed

[Mr Darcy]

sigh...the man died from damage done from decades of smoking...like thousands of other people do every day.

the rest is just the usual ignorant,sensationalist,bad press bullshit.

[acousticvillage]

Thanks Katherine...as usual a great blog, and an excellent summary.
The BBC, like all 24-hour channels with additional web content to boot, cannot continue to provide a 24 hour service unless it follows the pack - i.e. trying to find the sensationalist angle purely in order to get people to listen to or view them.

The BBC's impartiality disappeared long ago as can be seen in even the most serious of news stories, such as those concerning Israel, Islamic extremism and islamicism, religious persecution, UK and European politics...you name it. Today there is 10% information and 90% conjecture, opinion, analysis, viewpoint, soundbite, etc. Tragic.

The best we can hope for - and I mean this in the saddest and most shameful of ways - is that this is seen in the same way as the tragedy unfolding in Japan....sensation that is by and large being ignored by the news in favour of the idiocy in Libya!!!

[doodlebug]

Thanks Bruce.

Yes it is disappointing, but not altogether unexpected.

The truth will out in the end though. We are making good progress where it matters - with the policy makers, and are no longer facing an imminent ban, so that's something to build upon.

Onwards and upwards, dear friends!

Happy vaping, one and all

Katherine

[smokindeuce]

 Bruce, on 28 March 2011 - 08:15 PM, said:

 doodlebug, on 28 March 2011 - 07:49 PM, said:

Hi, all,

I have just published a blog post here which details all the information I have on this subject.

I would be enormously grateful if the OP would change the title of this thread, because although 'funny' and I'm sure, ironic, it is NOT true at all.

Yes Katherine, you're right, my post was ironic.

The way the BBC reported it, was typical of them, there was no hard facts at all. And the backend of the report, when they mentioned the ECITA response, it was obvious they didn't believe a word of what you said.

anyway, my apologies for the daft thread title, I was just a little bit agitated with them, duly changed

Thanks for changing the thread title - I must admit to being drawn in by the title and started feeling quite sick to the stomach - I guess the irony on something as potentially serious as this went right over my head! lol

What this whole episode does confirm is that as ex-smokers/smokers we're all better off giving up inhaling foreign matter into our lungs full stop.... as this guy has proved ecigs won't help you if you've been on the fags for X amount of years and the damage has already been done. To give your body the best chance of ever getting over the damage smoking can cause - give up inhaling altogether! Of course harm reduction is the compromising alternative, but only if you can't quit altogether.