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Ochso Kube

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Me again - sorry.

Now please bear with me , I think my brain has hit its natural pdf reading overload, (PRO - apparently eased by vaping though not in any medicinal sense, at all, ever. )

I am using quotes from the Mhra - What is a medicinal product.

Apart from some usefull stuff (simplified for me). I was intrigued by the Statutory Procedure (pages 17 - 20 )

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THE STATUTORY PROCEDURE
Provisional determinations
32. In all other cases where the MHRA is of the opinion that a product without a marketing
authorisation, a traditional herbal registration or a certificate of registration as homoeopathic
medicinal product and not otherwise exempt is a relevant medicinal product, the MHRA will
give notice by Special Delivery of its provisional determination, together with the reasons for
it. The notice will say that, if the company disagrees with the provisional determination, it
may make representations about it to an Independent Review Panel (“the Panel”). It will ask
the company for notice of any intention to make written or oral representations within four
weeks
of the provisional determination. In the case of written representations, the
company will be expected to submit them to the Panel by a date not less than six weeks
from the date of the provisional determination. In the case of oral representations to the
Panel, the MHRA will, after consultation with the company, set a hearing date generally not
less than eleven weeks from the date of the provisional determination. In either case, there is
some scope to allow additional time for proper preparation of the company’s case.
Also

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Final determinations if no representations are made

33. If no notice of intention to seek an oral hearing or submit representations is received
in time, or if the company asks to make representations but does not then do so, the MHRA
(acting as the Licensing Authority) will consider the product again, and make and issue a
final determination by Special Delivery, together with the reasons for it. If the product is
classified as a relevant medicinal product, the company will be reminded of the legal
provisions for the marketing of such products and what it needs to do to comply with them. It
will be asked to notify the MHRA of its compliance with the final determination within two
weeks.
The MHRA also has power to issue a notice under regulation 3A(6) of the
Regulations, formally requiring the company to stop marketing the product, or not to place it
on the market, unless or until a marketing authorisation, a traditional herbal registration or a
certificate of registration as homoeopathic medicinal product has been granted in respect of
the product. Breach of such a notice is an offence under the Regulations, if the product is a
relevant medicinal product.
Sorry for the blocks of text


I have highlighted (or is it emboldened) the time scales. And if all the vendors simply ignore whats going on.

4 weeks + re consideration + 2 weeks

Cannot equal 21 days.

Or am I missing something ( most probably am, but cant see the wood for the trees atm. )

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The MHRA has left out far too much of the information it should have included in the consultation document, hoping to have no objections raised and thus steamroller its proposals through.

I'm beginning to form the view that it is acting illegally.
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I'm bloody sure it's acting illegally. In fact it's criminal and corrupt to the core and is actually on the Payroll of GlaxoKlineSmith but who is going to legally challenge them. Has anyone come up with a Masterplan yet ? Has anyone received a reply from the MP's they have written to or e-mailed? I hav'nt heard anything from the people that i've written to. I believe that all Politicians are either financially corrupt or morally corrupt. If i'm to become a Criminal in June for using a legal drug in a Vapouriser then believe me i'm going to be doing something much more Criminal than that.
Try and take it easy Dave. My blood pressure is through the roof i'm so fucking angry. I've been a Musician/Songwriter since 1961 and i've seen lots of shit happen but in that business at least you knew your dressing room was in the Toilet.
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I know Frankie very well, yes, and probably all the rest of the assembled throng!

As far as a legal challenge is concerned - who's got the money?? That's the stumbling block, unless we can bring a few proper MPs onboard. I think my guy's legit, but you can never tell.

The big problem, of course, is that there's already precedent in the EU - Denmark and Austria being but two that have already gone down this route.
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Not wanting to be negative but i think come june 21st were all going to be screwed and the only way we'll be able to get nic containing fluid is from either China or Italy. Really not a problem for most of us who've been at it a while but for people who are new or thinking about trying it they prob wont bother....too much hassle. This would more or less kill e-cigs and it's growth.

Option 2 in the MHRA document would effectively give us another 12 months grace but i doubt we'll get that because the longer they leave it the more people get to know about or start vaping, it's deff got a lot more popular since i started back in aug 09, it's like a snowballing effect the longer they leave it the bigger it gets......so if they stop it sooner rather than later, they'll only piss a few thousand people off instead of pissing a few hundred thousand off.

In a perfect world we'd get option 3 and the fuckers would leave us alone, but thats never going to happen. Just my thoughts.....and i hope i'm wrong :mumbles:
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I foresee lots of folks buying in in bulk from the likes of Italy and China for friends on a "group buy" basis.
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I do hope so, I havent bought anything from abroad yet and Im a bit scared to start - no idea which companies to purchase from which to avoid etc

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I may have to marry Toby. Can't do without his Ry4 vg.
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if you marry Toby, could you adopt me???

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i hope you dont mind Ochso Kube i have placed this in my facebook group, its a very good question to ask

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No Problems - Go for it


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Hi, I am planing a trip to Austria and I am wondering if anyone has taking vaping gear into the country.
I see it is not legal to sell e-cigs in Austria, but I can not find any legal advice about taking your own as a tourist and using it on holiday.
If anyone can offer any advice i would really appreciate it.

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Hi David. Somebody on the Aussie Vapers forum might be able to help - http://forums.aussievapers.com/

Queensland has recently announced that they'll fine residents importing nicotine liquid up to $8000 so that seems like a particularly dodgy area to visit.
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View PostKate, on 09 May 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

Hi David. Somebody on the Aussie Vapers forum might be able to help - http://forums.aussievapers.com/

Queensland has recently announced that they'll fine residents importing nicotine liquid up to $8000 so that seems like a particularly dodgy area to visit.


hmmmmm Austria or Australia ......which ones best ....theres only one way to find out.......FIGHT !!!, me thinks you have the wrong country kate :)

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Oops! Thanks for pointing that out Matt, I should read more carefully.

In Austria as far as I know there isn't a problem for personal use but selling ecig products is banned.
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Where can you get bulk nicotine in Italy then? FlavourArt don't do big bottles, and max is 36mg.

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I'd check out the Italian forums for that DeeJay:

http://esigarettaportal.it/

http://www.svapo.it/
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