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[GeordieKev]

I have just heard today from one of my suppliers that the Chinese Government have banned the advertising of nicotine products, could this be the start of something bad for all of us who rely on the Chinese factories to supply our products. Having just checked a few of my suppliers sites, its true they have removed many of the products which I rely upon for re-sale.

It does not cover the electronic cigarettes YET, as long as they advertise that they contain 'no nicotine' and the same goes for liquids. So I guess prefilled nicotine kits will be axed. They can still promote zero nicotine strength but anything else is a big no no. And if the Chinese Government say no they mean NO or else you could spend a very long time in jail.

It could be time to source suppliers in countries that are more tolerant as this could be a very slippery slope, although I hear the companies are appealing the decision I would not hold my breath.

If anyone has heard anything about this please let me know as this is a worry for most of us over here.

Kev

[Phil A]

Have they banned the sale too? I guess if "advertising" includes listing them on a website, they have effectively banned the sale...

Juice isn't a massive issue inasmuch as there are quite a few suppliers of UK / EU sourced juice, but I'm not aware of any "mainstream" e-cig devices themselves that aren't produced in China...

[MIDIManNI]

And so it begins....

Time to start preparing for the onslaught by stocking up on Juice and supplies for the day when the persecuted vapers will be running scared from the Vape Police!!!

Later...

[prof beard]

I would be stunned if the Chinese did anything which stopped people in other countries buying product. Tobacco advertising is largely banned in the UK, but no-one has ever seriously suggested banning the sale of tobacco...

[VEJason]

I wouldn't panic buy just yet.

If they have banned advertising, that doesn't mean a ban on sales.

Cigarette advertising is banned over here and there's no problem buying them.

[HillBill]

Well if its nicotine and not tobacco, this might explain it:
http://www.dailymail...ed-poision.html

Of course, the nicotine bit in the article might be fantasy - apparently they suspect a lot of his manifesto is because he wants to create a "da vinci' type effect to keep the conspiracy theorists chatting for years.
As if what this man did wasn't bad enough.

Edited by HillBill, 01 August 2011 - 12:18 PM.

[GeordieKev]

Phil A, on 01 August 2011 - 11:49 AM, said:

Have they banned the sale too? I guess if "advertising" includes listing them on a website, they have effectively banned the sale...

Juice isn't a massive issue inasmuch as there are quite a few suppliers of UK / EU sourced juice, but I'm not aware of any "mainstream" e-cig devices themselves that aren't produced in China...

As Jason has mentioned, they have not banned the sales but it will be harder for people to find out where to buy products and the electronic products themselves are not covered by the ban as long as they are not filled with nicotine.

Edited by GeordieKev, 01 August 2011 - 12:06 PM.

[nudger1964]

they just lumped it in with tabacco products i guess... dont think it particularly "the start" of anything as tabacco advertising ban was always coming.
is there not a difference between advertising a product, and listing its availability?

[HillBill]

They still have juice advertised here:
http://www.feellife....lar.aspx?id=228

[GeordieKev]

nudger1964, on 01 August 2011 - 12:10 PM, said:

they just lumped it in with tabacco products i guess... dont think it particularly "the start" of anything as tabacco advertising ban was always coming.
is there not a difference between advertising a product, and listing its availability?

Agree with your comments but if you look at some of the wholesale sites and type in nicotine and instead of 1000's of products being indexed from the search there are about 70. This is just new so I guess some companies websites not updated yet with the new legislation. With regards to 'the start' of something I'm just telling it how it is, but remember we are not talking about a democratic country here and if the government decides to go even further then they will regardless of the consumers or industries.

[prof beard]

Democracy - the government announces it intends to do something - people object - the government does it anyway

Non-Democracy - the government announces it intends to do something - people object - the government does it anyway AND locks up some of the people...


Old cynic, moi?

[fynger]

Like it prof.

[HillBill]

Lol Prof except in our Democracy sometimes they do listen and, if they don't but you can prove that they had no intention of listening, then there are law courts to make them listen. Its a long haul but at least we have the option.

PS the website that Breivik mentions in his diary as being his Chinese nicotine supplier has gone poof.

[Killovicz]

The war is coming..

You better be prepared, I have "developed" a kitchen-method on how to extract nicotine out of tobacco! I wont be posting any threads on "how to" just yet, since the method could turn out to be rather dangerous especially if done by amateurs. But if done "right" one never gets to mess with pure nicotine or even close. So far I have been making less then 10mg. Such that 1% is the highest concentration I ever get in contact with. After the gas evaporates I'm left with 10mg concentration.

I can buy 1kg of tobacco in Bosnia for 4-5 guid, but tobacco can be grown in UK, in your back yard..

In my method I use water/heat/gas/pressure/VG + fume cupboard, but it can be done outside with water and VG only, it would take a bit longer tho. However if one forgets to add VG and just let's the water evaporate then one will end up with pure nicotine. Which is very poisons 1g is enoff to kill 20 peps!!
..or if one adds to little VG then one might end up with very concentrated nicotine solution. 1ml of 100mg is enoff to kill 2 peps!!

They might not ban the nicotine right away or they might never ban it cuz they will be afraid of peps like me going underground! BUT THEY WILL TAX IT!!! In the future the nicotine will be VERY EXPENSIVE due to taxation!

The war is coming, I'm getting ready

[PapaLazarou]

If it is indeed a reaction to claimed poisoning of bullets in the Norway shootings, then logically it should only affect high strength blends or pure nicotine. Perhaps the suppliers could appeal on that basis? It seems that 1,2, even 5% blends of nicotine would be much less useful to terrorists than 100% which is as poisonous as cyanide. I've always thought it highly dodgy that anyone can order pure nicotine by the litre from a Chinese website. The Chinese government are authoritarian but I think they value the inflow of foreign currency over all else. I also think they would want to avoid shutting down a high growth industry worth many millions of dollars a year overnight, which is what this will do effectively.

If you go to a site like Alibaba, Boge/Dekang/Hangsen/etc. are still listing e-liquid available in various strengths. As are the Chinese retail sites currently. The suppliers of high strength nicotine seem to have pulled all their listings. Perhaps it is a result of Alibaba "auto deleting" listings containing the word nicotine?

I suppose all we can do is wait and see...

If China does ban nicotine exports of all types then make no mistake, vaping will at the very least become a hell of a lot more expensive...

If they ban the export of pure/high strength then we can probably kiss goodbye to cheap e-liquid from places like Nicvape.

Edited by PapaLazarou, 01 August 2011 - 01:37 PM.

[nudger1964]

blimey, if it ever comes to that id rather just buy 5 litres of 75mg and stick it in the freezer

[Killovicz]

PapaLazarou, on 01 August 2011 - 01:36 PM, said:

If it is indeed a reaction to claimed poisoning of bullets in the Norway shootings...

Lol, this would have no effect since the nic would burn out b4 it reach it's target. Besides how hard is it for terrorists to make pure nicotine. Buy some tobacco boil for a while, remove the tobacco form the water solution, let the water evaporate and you'll be end up with pure nicotine in powder form. Much more simple then ordering it on-line..

[PapaLazarou]

I think there's a bit more to it than boiling tobacco in water, but I don't really know. I would not attempt to extract my own nicotine. I think sulphuric acid and organic solvents are used normally, from the guides I've seen online.

Anyway not my claim that the shooter in Norway used nicotine to "treat" the bullets - it's being reported in the media that he obtained pure nicotine from China and made hollow point bullets containing it. No doubt it will come out in the wash whether they were actually used, and if so whether this addition increased the lethality..

[Kenny]

I will believe it when it happens and as far as I can see my usual Chinese suppliers are still advertising via their websites.

In any case I have at least two years of supplies to keep me going and this is the position we should all be in which gives plenty of time to look around.

[Maz]

Killovicz, on 01 August 2011 - 01:56 PM, said:

Buy some tobacco boil for a while, remove the tobacco form the water solution, let the water evaporate and you'll be end up with pure nicotine in powder form. Much more simple then ordering it on-line..

I'm sure all you'd get from this is basic nasty tobacco extract of varying nicotine content, it'd be like a black tarry gloop wouldn't it? I thought pure nicotine extraction was a relatively complex process?

I think the Prof is right though, the Chinese care about currency and that's about it.

They make 99% of the grey market "legal high" drugs available online and these are serious, potentially lethal chemicals not the herbal stuff of years ago I'm talking about substances like all the synthetic canniboids, MDAI, Mephedrone, 2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone which is a Ketamine analogue, N-methyl-1-(thiophen-2-yl)propan-2-amine which is an analogue of Methamphetamine, 3-MeO-PCP a PCP analogue and a whole slew of similar new drugs and analogues of banned and controlled substances that there's no need to list.
They make hundreds of them, this isn't from first hand purchasing I hasten to add! It's patently obvious that they know full well these chemicals are designed to mimic the effects of drugs that are banned to get through legal loopholes and that the governments of the countries these end up in aren't going to be happy about it. They simply don't care, they are paid and their chemists deliver.

And we're worried they're going to stop selling us nicotine? I think we'll be fine for decades at least..

I hope so anyway